Unterschiede bei C330 Modellen

[Denis]

Kennt jemand den Unterschied zwischen der "Professional", "F" und "S" ?

Außer der Baujahre habe ich im Netz nur hier etwas gefunden.
Und die örtlichen Händler sind leider auch überfragt.

Denis

 

[goetz]

Hej Dennis,

es gab auch noch die C33 und C220. Ich habe mal in den 70 er mit der C33 fotografiert, fand die Mamiya aber zur Rolleiflex einfach zu schwer.

Weiter Infos habe ich allerdings auch nicht.

Gruß

Goetz

 

[rolleifan]

<font color="ff0000">C3
Dates of manufacture: 9/1962 - 1965
Weight (body): ?
Film advance: Crank, partial 360 degree stroke, reversed to rest, double exposure prevention (see Idiosyncrasies below)
Shutter cocking: Manual
Shutter releases: One, side, metal stud
Parallax compensation: Scale in finder used in conjunction with exposure compensation scale.
Exposure compensation: Scale on left side of bellows.
120/220 capability: 120
Lens focus scales: 65mm, 80mm, 105mm (chrome), 135mm, 180mm. A retrofit to accept the 55mm and 250mm lenses was available. This includes the 65mm and 80mm scales not found on the equivalent C33 update.
Interchangeable screens: No
WLF type: Type 1, 80mm aperture only, uses masks for 65mm, 105mm, 135mm, 180mm, and 250mm
Flash shoe: Upper left side, cold.
Removable back: Yes, sheet film option. Same mechanism as C33.
Multi-exposure: Yes
Cable release: Conical thread socket on lens panel frame
Tripod screw: 1/4"
Other idiosyncrasies: Lenses upgraded to 1/500 second. Introduction of auto-zeroing frame counter. Textured rubber finish. Two-stage lens release. (See section 2.3). Both black and chrome focus knobs appear to have been used. The film transport interlock appears to require the complete travel of the shutter release to clear. At least one ex&le is known with an aluminium `chin' below the lens mount in place of the usual black crackle finish.

<font color="ff0000">C33
Dates of manufacture: 4/1965 - 1969?
Weight (body): 1810
Film advance: Crank, partial 360 degree, reverse to rest
Shutter cocking: Automatic
Shutter releases: Single, side mounted
Parallax compensation: Automatic for 80, 105, 135, and 180mm
Exposure compensation: As parallax compensation
120/220 capability: 120 only. See 1.12 C33 modifications for 220 conversion.
Lens focus scales: 65mm and 80mm in window on right side, 105mm (chrome), 135mm, 180mm on plates fitted to the lens rack on the left side. 1968 and later models may have additional scales for the 55mm and 250mm. A retrofit to accept the 55mm and 250mm lenses was available which differs from the C3/C22 version by not having 65mm and 80mm scales. These are handled by a moving scale in the camera body.
Interchangeable screens: No.
WLF type: Type 1
Flash shoe: Cold, upper left side
Removable back: Yes, sheet film option, two sprung pin latches, as C3
Multi-exposure: Yes
Cable release: Conical thread socket on lens panel frame
Tripod screw: 1/4"
Other idiosyncrasies: Textured rubber covering, change to black focus knobs. The crank should be reverse wound back to the rest position after each frame advance (Compare with C330 models). Evidence from a Mamiya repair manual for the C33 shows that this camera was under aggressive development during 1965/1966. There are a number of detail differences internally. 120-only versions have the film start mark at the upper left of the film gate (as with the C3 and earlier models). 220 versions have the mark at the lower left side.

<font color="ff0000">C330

Dates of manufacture: 10/1969 - 1974
Weight (body): 1465
Film advance: Crank, single 360 degree clockwise action
Shutter cocking: Automatic
Shutter releases: Two, side (plastic tab) and chin, lockable
Parallax compensation: Automatic, all lenses (if 55/65mm correction plate employed)
Exposure compensation: As parallax compensation
120/220 capability: Both, rotating pressure plate, frame counter configured automatically
Lens focus scales: Hexagonal rod on left side, manually adjustable for focal length, not suitable for 105mm D lenses. Short lenses are read via window in the body, longer lenses read against the front edge of the body. Rod is user interchangeable according to manual. The rod mounting at the front of the camera has a removable (read: frequently lost) black plastic cover. This C330 scale (jpg/330scale.jpg) is missing the plastic cover. It is set for the 105mm lens, with the focus at about 5 feet. See ../c330/c330.html
Interchangeable screens: Yes. Matte, 4 degree split, 6 degree split, microprism, cross hair, grid
WLF type: Type 1
Flash shoe: Cold, upper left side
Removable back: Yes, sheet film option, different fitting from C33
Multi-exposure: Yes
Cable release: Chin release provided with conical thread
Tripod screw: 3/8" with insert for 1/4". Note that there is supposed to be a small inner locking screw, but it is often missing.
Other idiosyncrasies: No focus lock. Film speed reminder dial includes tungsten, daylight, and B/W flag. Early versions may have the focus screen screwed in place, as with the C33. Leatherette finish. A few C330 bodies were produced in black anodised finish in place of the chrome on the lens board frame. Camera interior is hexagonal textured finish.


<font color="ff0000">C330f
Dates of manufacture: 1972 - 1982 (Yes, this does overlap with the C330 - information from Mamiya America)
Weight (body): 1390
Film advance: Single 360 degree clockwise stroke
Shutter cocking: Part of film advance stroke
Shutter releases: Two, Side (plastic tab) and chin. The side release incorporates a lock operating on both releases.
Parallax compensation Automatic, all lenses (if 55/65mm correction plate employed)
Exposure compensation: As parallax compensation
120/220 capability: Yes, rotating pressure plate
Lens focus scales: Hexagonal rod, manually adjusted scales.
Interchangeable screens Yes
WLF type: Type 2
Flash shoe: Side, cold
Removable back: Yes
Multi-exposure: Yes
Cable release: Yes
Tripod screw: 3/8" with insert for 1/4". Note that there is supposed to be a small inner locking screw, but it is often missing.
Other idiosyncrasies: Focus knob lock, textured leatherette finish. Film tab holder introduced, which incorporates the 120/220 setting window. Some models had black side panel rims, and black rims on the film spool retainers.




<font color="ff0000">C330s

Dates of manufacture: 10/1983 - 1/1994
Weight (body): 1340 (estimated, manual states 1650 including 80mm f2.8)
Film advance: Crank
Shutter cocking: Automatic
Shutter releases: Two, side (plastic tab) and chin. Shutter lock on body.
Parallax compensation: In viewing screen according to focal length set. Applies to all lenses (if 55/65mm correction plate employed).
Exposure compensation: As parallax compensation
120/220 capability: Yes, rotating pressure plate
Lens focus scales: Hexagonal rod, manually adjusted scales. Should have both 105mm scales. Both feet and metre scales were available, and are user-replaceable according to the C330s manual. Side window for viewing scales for 55, 65, 80mm lenses.
Interchangeable screens: Yes, Matte, Matte (wide angle) 4 degree split, 6 degree split, microprism, Cross hair, microprism / split, grid. Not compatible with 330 and 330f screens.
WLF type: 2, sports finder with interchangeable masks for 105, 135, 180, 250mm
Flash shoe: Cold, upper left side
Removable back: Yes. No compatible alternatives are known.
Multi-exposure: Yes; control surrounds the crank mounting
Cable release: Conical thread socket on chin release
Tripod screw: 1/4" only
Other idiosyncrasies: Textured leatherette finish. The rear door latch is attached to the body, not the back, with separate lock and release catches (the catch is the upper spool retaining knob). Film tab holder. Focus lock. Film transport is reputed to be modified over earlier models. jpg/c330slug.jpg Some, if not all, have a stud strap mount, rather than the slot used with earlier models. This is similar to the strap lugs on Mamiya RB cameras, and aftermarket straps for that camera may be suitable. Different font and use of lower case on 'Mamiya' title. The focusing knobs are larger than previously, and the focus adapter does not fit.


Die früheren Modelle waren die C3 und die C33 (noch schwerer)
Parallel dazu gab es immer die 2er Modelle C2, C22 und C220.
Diese waren die abgespeckten Versionen der 3er Modelle, kein automatischer Verschlussaufzug beim Filmtransport, nur 1 Auslöser.

Professionel hiessen sie alle, das ist kein Identifizierungsmerkmal.

Hoffe ich konnte weiterhelfen.

 

[rolleifan]

Nichts zu danken, gerne geschehen!

 

[Denis]

Hallo Christoph, ( ganz kleinlaut...)

ich habs natürlich verpennt mich für die Infos von Dir zu bedanken.
Der Grund ist eigentlich der das ich wegen der kläglichen Reste Schulenglisch ein wenig Zeit fürs Verstehen/Übersetzen benötigte.
Da hier "leider" ja nicht übermäßig viel Beiträge sind hab ich es dann vergessen.

Einer der Unterschiede und für den Neuling wohl gravierensten ist übrigens das Öffnen der Kamera um einen Film einzulegen. Mein Vater hat die frühere Ausführung ohne "s". Bei der Kamera wird ein Knopf am Rückteil bedient, bei meiner "s" an der Seite.

Denis